no badge icon for top contributors

ccambre shared this question 7 years ago
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hi

on the beta-forum I see that badges are appearing. Information about translator or Institute Member is inherent to a profile, so that's OK.

On the forum you can see the number of materials and users can interprete the usefulness of them by looking at it, so that's OK.

You can discuss about a supplementary automatic 'quality label' simply by giving the number of files a weight, looking at the tags added.

It's optimistic (or should I say pessimistic?) to believe that an automatic system would produce a better qualification of the quality of the material than a curious visiting professional.

I don't like it, as I don't like the hitparade of top-contributors that (now) only lists the people with a specific use of GG-applets. Sometimes quality can go hand in hand with quantity, but doesn't always. With the new system the people with a high number of files still have a high ranking. So be it, I won't start a revolution or a long list of posts against it.


But regardless if you favorite it or not, I see that the badge icon seems to be limitited to a score of hundred or somewhat. Control the list of top contributers and you'll see there's a missing link to a badge for all of them except for me. I started adding tags (which, I admit, is a useful thing) and stopped by now at a score of 100 (only having completed 600 of my 4000 files) doing other work in the meantime.

So if you want to highlight the people who produce many files, please fix the badges for the high scorers to.

chris

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274f272d114146349f5ccc37b40eca0eupdate: the counting seems to have changed, so since my badge score is up to 200, I've got a material-badge that doesn"t look nice as well as the other so called top contributors...

chris

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I think that releasing file on GeoGebraTube is not a chalenge ... the badges should show that you are a experienced user. As I was off for a time because of my son, I'm "only" at Level 61 ... but I don't thing my Files are less worth than yours. And besides that ... the qualtity of a drawing is not depending on the number of files that are constributed.


You are already promoted on the first page, with the highest number of Contributions. Do you really need an extra Badge????


Birgit

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I think that releasing file on GeoGebraTube is not a challenge ... the badges should show that you are an experienced user. As I was off for a time because of my son, I'm "only" at Level 61 ... but I don't thing my Files are less worth than yours. And besides that ... the quantity of a drawing is not depending on the number of files that are contributed.


You are already promoted on the first page, with the highest number of Contributions. Do you really need an extra Badge????


Birgit

I agree with you Birgit up to a point. Personally, I try to never post practice work unless it is a lesson for students; some post every version of one exercise probably not realizing what some of us consider the purpose of GGT (quality activities for our students). I spend considerable time naming my posts, trying make the name relevant. How many files have the name Test, GeoGebra, Sample, or other trivia. I have on occasion replaced a poorly constructed entry with a new version or an entirely different worksheet, I do this to eliminate possible learning errors for my students...


I can see a badge system for contributors based on peer favoring and repeat use of worksheet at locations away from the members address. Number of worksheets can be a factor, but peer favoring is very worthwhile.


BTW, when I use much of a worksheet of others in my post, I mention their user name in the key terms line and add comments below worksheet on screen.


Tony


I do not know this Level 61 you spoke of...

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You get the level within the new GeoGebraTube-Version, see at beta-Tube http://tube-beta.geogebra.o...


You are at Level 90 :-) http://tube-beta.geogebra.org/acron

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hi

my English is not perfect but I did write myself 'I don't like it'.

There's two reasons of my high number of files. First is that I'm making many exercises to be put in my website, and varying in the type of exercices you'll get a high number of files. Second is that I stopped teaching three years ago and I'm continuing doing GeoGebra-things (making files, following the forum and translating into dutch) for some two or three hours a day, which was impossible while I was teaching.

The so-called top contributors (I didn't invent the name!) are people who are systematically covering all the math they are teaching, not the ones who are searching for new approaches and new original ways of applying GG. As a3knop does to, I'm giving my files a 'name' that allows me to classify them and to keep an overview myself. Indeed this is in much cases not the most useful name for other users, but they get their meaning withing my website, and I started to add more taggs to be more useful on GGTube to.

I don't judge the quality of my files. I 've got a website with very much exercices and it's to the dutch teachers to chose if they want to visit it or not. The usefulness of my site has increased by increasing the number of exercices, but I never asked for a hitparade on GGTube.


That's what I mean with 'as I don't like the hitparade of top-contributors that (now) only lists the people with a specific use of GG-applets'.

Birgit, if you read my post once again, you'll notice that I didn't write or asked anything that's contrary to what you wrote, so please don't react against me, but to the badge system.


The point that I want to make, apart of my criticism on the badge itself is this: if you create a system, based on quantity, just make sure that you 've got a badge-picture for the ones you gave the highest rank yourself. Because a broken picture-link looks rather silly.

And two: when I wrote my first post, I still had a badge picture myself, so I didn't complain for myself (as I rarely do...)

greetings

chris

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hi

I guess a discussion upon badges would be more appropriate on a beta forum than here in a bug forum, for this is just a start.

On the recent GGconference in Linz a 'quality based review system' for GGTube was presented: http://tube.geogebra.org/ma... .

This includes several types of badges, that makes profile pages look like a uniform of russian generals.


Included to are skill badges. With this system you can (are invited to/ have to?) prove your skills in the sepperate views of GG.

By now skill badges were unknown in education. You can/have to prove yourself every lesson in the classroom and earn a growing respect of the students according to the identity of the class and your personality, each teacher in its unique way.

With these skill badges students can see that you're a teacher with just minor or moderate skills, not according to the students themselves, the parents or the head of the school,no: according to a quality based review system of a math program.

You can print it and ware it on your dress trying to gain more respect of your students. Does the inventor of it really think it works this way?

chris

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Having not looked at the beta-tube site until today, overall it looks like an improvement...I agree with Chris, all badges should be clear. The other thing I was not clear on are some of the ranking names...specifically those highlighted.

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Also, IMHO, translators should have a special badge, more prominent than most. It is a very difficult skill to know the language of mathematics in multiple languages. These are people who do not depend on the poor ability of Google Translator or similar programs.


My 2 cents worth! {idiom meaning 2% on $1.}


Tony

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hi Tony

I've got two badges by now. One is the broken imagelink of contributor (counting the number on files and books on Tube), the reason for my first post on this bug-forum. The other is a Community badge with the two indications GeoGebra Institute Member and translator. I was in Linz and with some people in Belgium we form the 'GeoGebra Instituut Vlaanderen' so this engagement is included in the community badge, as is the thranslation work to. So translation is indeed mentioned. I translated the whole wiki into dutch on my own. This took quite an effort but it gave an extra comfort for the dutch users. Mentioning this in a profile is included, so this is OK for me.


The numer under materials private/shared/public is just the result of counting the number of files you uploaded in each of those categories. So Tony, aparently you indicated one of your files on Tube as 'shared by link' and the rest as 'public'.

Badge bonus 'active' aparantly looks if you recently posted some files or not. The other bonusses I don't know what they stand for neither. Maybe 'badge bonus' is just a general starting bonus and 'image bonus' is a bonus you get if you include an image to your profile?

And the skill bonusses... I don't think many users already know about this purpose (there were 200 people in Linz...) but when a betatube-forum should be installed I'm sure it would soon raise a lot of reactions in a similar way as Birgits.


I created a great time comfort for myself, quitting teaching. Ik enjoy very much steadily continuing to work on a site with now some 3000 random generated exercises (in which the number of exercises is undoubtly a factor of quality). I regularly try to answer posts on the forum and I'm regelularly giving addittional courses on GG for teachers. But I don't like to be compared with others in quality by automatic badges. Let the files do the work. There's no need for my profile page to look like a uniform of a russian general, completely being decorated. The number of visitors on my site indicates the quality (or lack of quality) within math education in Belgium. There's no way an automatic built in quality system of GeoGebra is ever capable to measure this level of importance and the quality of my work.

I dare say I'm a specialist in creating random exercices by scripting. Others are in CAS or 3D. It's a matter of finding your own way and being inspired by the way some people do very nice things in their speciality, sometimes in 5 public files, sometimes in 500 public files. That doesn't matter and doesn't need to be compared in a badge.

greetings

chris

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Hi Chris,

I moved your thread here because it seems to me it's a more appropriate place for the discussion.

I have some doubts about the badges system indeed, but I think that the developers will give some more explanations when the new tube will be released.

Personally I don't care to be considered a top contributor or not. In my case I have some files I shared with link to the devs because those are files we used to show or test bugs, and for example my account doesn't contain all the reference files I translated for the Italian users.

It also contains some very old files I am not sure are nice enough or working well, but I have so little free time to check them that I'm leaving them there until I find some time to review and possibly fix them.

The badges system has been created (IMHO) to encourage people to share their activities, lessons and exercises, so that the community can benefit of them. Many sites use badges for the community, and many people are pleased by showing them off like Kim Jong Un :smiley_cat:

I agree with you that the best approval of your works comes from the appreciation of the users. We translators particularly know this: in my case I am content with seeing that users find ggb usable and from time to time even thank me for my work on it.

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hi

indeed the discussion wasn't at its place on the bug forum, but grew there upon just a side remark upon badges itself. I posted it there because of a technical problem with the badges of scores above a certain level, that only show a broken image link instead of a badge, So ironicly, the high scores don't get a badge.

This remark was badly accepted as if I claimed my badge as so called top contributor.

This ranking does rais interest by people on my work and indeed, there's nothing wrong with that. I just put this number of files (and compairing them) in a context, respecting the amount of time everone has got to be punt in GG. I don't mind about title or ranking.

Teachers and schools in general don't like to be compared. First in most of the cases there's no need to do it, second the method of comparason raises often more question than giving answers?

I made my point and as I said, I won't start a campaign against it. I don't like it but so be it. Don't fear a reaction as Daniel Mentrard when he opposed to GG decisions.

greetings

chris

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Just to say that we are, as ever, listening to feedback carefully, with a view to ensuring new features are as 'right as possible' and certainly as inclusive and progressive as possible.

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Dear friends,


thank you for your thoughts and feedback on badges!


Yes, the idea is simply to encourage people to share their work on GeoGebraTube and give them a "reward" for that. We also want to have badges for authors being "followed" (a future feature planned for Tube) which will probably say more about the "quality" of their materials (If many people are interested in your materials, they are probably good).


All of this is under heavy development right now and ideas and feedback are very welcome as always!


Thanks,

Markus

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hi Marcus

thanks for your reply. Everyone will agree that sustaining, promoting and sharing good materilals is an excellent goal and I do appreciate very much the goal of the devellopping team in trying constantly to improve GeoGebra. Posing that question is much more easy than finding solutions.

I just think that giving everyone a badge score goes far beyond this. I'd rather not be the teacher who's got to move heaven and hell every day to work himself through the tasks of home and work but nevertheless always as by wonder, seems to find that little hidden hole in time to make some extra materials especially fit for some difficult classes. Result: he is marked with a minor score, which the students can see to and share in the class to. In these cases it's not stimulating, on the contrary.


There's a little difference with the list of top contributors. It's no harm if you don't appear on that list. You're not marked as number 12 548 or something, seeming to implicate that you're just mediocre as math teacher.

Can't you think of a way how to stimulate what seems to be worthwhile without stigmatizing the ones who, within their limited possibilities, are doing a great job, even when they can't post many files, or just files that are rarely shared or downloaded? And being Portugese or Danish or Hungarian, your files have got a minor chance to be picked up to, even when they are remarcable. Surely my website would gain more visitors if it was in English than now in Dutch. So what's quality, and how and why wanting to measure and compare work and engagement of teachers that, in most cases, goes far beyond numbers?

greetings

chris

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Dear Chris,


yes, we also want GeoGebraTube to be a place where everyone feels welcome and sharing is encouraged in all the ways you describe. We will definitely keep the thoughts of this thread in mind as we keep playing with our badges and the GeoGebraTube site in general.


Thanks,

Markus

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